1 00:00:09,699 --> 00:00:06,660 [Music] 2 00:00:11,650 --> 00:00:09,709 laura1 thank you for giving me the 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:11,660 opportunity to present at this great 4 00:00:19,359 --> 00:00:15,170 conference so I work on the simulations 5 00:00:21,910 --> 00:00:19,369 of moist convection on rocky travelogue 6 00:00:25,179 --> 00:00:21,920 planets and this is work I've been doing 7 00:00:28,359 --> 00:00:25,189 with Google on roads and next man at the 8 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:28,369 University and also in vertol at the UK 9 00:00:34,900 --> 00:00:31,369 Met Office so today I'm gonna remind you 10 00:00:37,540 --> 00:00:34,910 what the circulation looks like on a 11 00:00:42,069 --> 00:00:37,550 title locked rocky exoplanets I'm going 12 00:00:44,260 --> 00:00:42,079 to show you some what how important the 13 00:00:48,369 --> 00:00:44,270 dayside convection is for the global 14 00:00:50,310 --> 00:00:48,379 climate of these planets I'll talk 15 00:00:52,990 --> 00:00:50,320 briefly about some challenges in 16 00:00:55,389 --> 00:00:53,000 modeling convection in terrestrial 17 00:00:58,420 --> 00:00:55,399 atmospheres and also show you some 18 00:01:00,810 --> 00:00:58,430 exciting results of convection resolving 19 00:01:04,180 --> 00:01:00,820 experience 20 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:04,190 so what planets 21 00:01:12,550 --> 00:01:07,450 I've been looking so far these are 22 00:01:17,380 --> 00:01:12,560 well-known terrestrial exoplanets namely 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:17,390 Trappist 1e and chakras 1f but also 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:21,530 Proxima Centauri and as you can see from 25 00:01:28,949 --> 00:01:27,130 this table in terms of their orbital and 26 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:28,959 [Music] 27 00:01:36,850 --> 00:01:31,970 size characteristics they're fairly 28 00:01:40,479 --> 00:01:36,860 close to each other but they do vary in 29 00:01:42,639 --> 00:01:40,489 terms of their rotation period and of 30 00:01:48,130 --> 00:01:42,649 course sharvani receives more radiation 31 00:01:53,589 --> 00:01:48,140 than epsilon F while Proxima B is quite 32 00:01:56,770 --> 00:01:53,599 close in this regard and so for this 33 00:01:58,540 --> 00:01:56,780 simulations I just assume for now and 34 00:02:02,080 --> 00:01:58,550 that's like atmosphere which is nitrogen 35 00:02:05,290 --> 00:02:02,090 dominated with water as main condensable 36 00:02:09,010 --> 00:02:05,300 species and I ran this as an a-cup liner 37 00:02:13,690 --> 00:02:09,020 simulation with a slab ocean at the 38 00:02:18,250 --> 00:02:13,700 bottom so imagine this rocky exoplanets 39 00:02:21,830 --> 00:02:18,260 orbiting an M dwarf we can imagine the 40 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:21,840 represent the circulation on such a 41 00:02:27,140 --> 00:02:25,290 planet using a static so this is a 42 00:02:33,140 --> 00:02:27,150 vertical cross section along the equator 43 00:02:38,059 --> 00:02:33,150 on this planet and you have the solar 44 00:02:40,759 --> 00:02:38,069 radiation coming from its host star to 45 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:40,769 the day side of the planet and then the 46 00:02:46,190 --> 00:02:44,370 cloud loses heat in a form of long wave 47 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:46,200 radiation from both from day side and 48 00:02:51,050 --> 00:02:49,410 night side and the strong heating at the 49 00:02:54,259 --> 00:02:51,060 day side and the heating of the surface 50 00:02:59,470 --> 00:02:54,269 of the planet makes the atmosphere 51 00:03:01,940 --> 00:02:59,480 conductive the unstable and this gives 52 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:01,950 this leads to the rising connection 53 00:03:08,390 --> 00:03:04,530 motions the day side and the formation 54 00:03:12,979 --> 00:03:08,400 of thick layer of clouds and this heat 55 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:12,989 and moisture on sport eventually merges 56 00:03:21,259 --> 00:03:16,650 with the upper atmosphere equatorial jet 57 00:03:23,180 --> 00:03:21,269 and it's being transported to the night 58 00:03:26,210 --> 00:03:23,190 side of the planet and the in the 59 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:26,220 absence of the dynamical auction this 60 00:03:32,030 --> 00:03:28,530 heat this Atma started heat transport is 61 00:03:36,470 --> 00:03:32,040 was the only source of energy for the 62 00:03:40,910 --> 00:03:36,480 night side and this is indeed what we 63 00:03:43,729 --> 00:03:40,920 see from a GCM output so this is a UK 64 00:03:48,740 --> 00:03:43,739 Met Office unified model output for 65 00:03:52,300 --> 00:03:48,750 Travis Ronnie you have the strong you 66 00:03:55,339 --> 00:03:52,310 have very one atmosphere at the surface 67 00:03:56,809 --> 00:03:55,349 on this in the on the day side of the 68 00:03:59,089 --> 00:03:56,819 planet 69 00:04:02,780 --> 00:03:59,099 that's zoom in where all the interesting 70 00:04:05,979 --> 00:04:02,790 stuff is happening then if you plot the 71 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:05,989 wind vectors over its you you see the 72 00:04:15,670 --> 00:04:11,250 raising oceans and then the eastward jet 73 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:15,680 and when we if you overlay that with the 74 00:04:22,820 --> 00:04:20,209 specific humidity contours you see how 75 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:22,830 its concentrated on the day side where 76 00:04:27,380 --> 00:04:24,690 they all the vibration is happening and 77 00:04:31,190 --> 00:04:27,390 then if you rescale it to a photogenic 78 00:04:31,890 --> 00:04:31,200 scale you see that it eventually being 79 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:31,900 transported to 80 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:36,810 the night side as well as well as clouds 81 00:04:43,499 --> 00:04:40,650 so for a situation like that you can 82 00:04:45,390 --> 00:04:43,509 both size that convection should 83 00:04:49,499 --> 00:04:45,400 regulate the climate on the title locked 84 00:04:54,210 --> 00:04:49,509 planet and how can you attest this so we 85 00:04:59,779 --> 00:04:54,220 can run again this 3d GCM with different 86 00:05:03,420 --> 00:04:59,789 options for convection and so we can use 87 00:05:05,159 --> 00:05:03,430 sophisticated mass flux convection 88 00:05:08,879 --> 00:05:05,169 scheme which is used for weather in 89 00:05:10,050 --> 00:05:08,889 climate prediction on earth and I'm 90 00:05:12,060 --> 00:05:10,060 going to show I'm gonna call this 91 00:05:16,710 --> 00:05:12,070 experiments control and then we can use 92 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:16,720 a simple moist adjustment scheme which 93 00:05:22,890 --> 00:05:19,530 I'm gonna call LCS for Lambert and Lewis 94 00:05:24,420 --> 00:05:22,900 connection scheme and then I can also 95 00:05:26,939 --> 00:05:24,430 switch off the convection scheme 96 00:05:32,460 --> 00:05:26,949 completely and then the let the model 97 00:05:34,370 --> 00:05:32,470 handle the convection itself without any 98 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:34,380 help from the planet ization 99 00:05:40,050 --> 00:05:36,490 so in the next few slides I'm going to 100 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:40,060 show you the view global maps of surface 101 00:05:46,290 --> 00:05:43,330 temperature for control simulation and 102 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:46,300 also since TV runs both the Trappist 1e 103 00:05:58,290 --> 00:05:52,110 and Proxima B so starting with Trappist 104 00:06:01,350 --> 00:05:58,300 this is the global map of C search 105 00:06:03,810 --> 00:06:01,360 temperature just surface temperature and 106 00:06:07,260 --> 00:06:03,820 you see that's the of course the dayside 107 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:07,270 is much much warmer than the night side 108 00:06:13,110 --> 00:06:10,570 and the difference is quite large and 109 00:06:16,409 --> 00:06:13,120 have this called traps on the night side 110 00:06:20,310 --> 00:06:16,419 where the Crosby dryers occur in the 111 00:06:22,770 --> 00:06:20,320 wind field for approximately in this 112 00:06:25,830 --> 00:06:22,780 conditions the situation is fairly 113 00:06:28,890 --> 00:06:25,840 similar and then when we run this 114 00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:28,900 simulation with a simple adjustment 115 00:06:35,159 --> 00:06:31,889 scheme instead of the mass flux scheme 116 00:06:37,890 --> 00:06:35,169 you see that it has quite a significant 117 00:06:41,750 --> 00:06:37,900 impact on the surface temperature of the 118 00:06:45,510 --> 00:06:41,760 planet so the night side especially 119 00:06:50,939 --> 00:06:45,520 warmed significantly by up to 40 degrees 120 00:06:53,999 --> 00:06:50,949 or the chocolate one case however then 121 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:54,009 we can also run a similar sort of 122 00:07:00,960 --> 00:06:57,849 simulation but now switching off the 123 00:07:04,170 --> 00:07:00,970 convention scheme completely and this is 124 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:04,180 the simulation result for epsilon team 125 00:07:09,689 --> 00:07:07,090 and it's a fairly similar picture you 126 00:07:11,999 --> 00:07:09,699 have the slight cooling of the dayside 127 00:07:15,390 --> 00:07:12,009 and warming on the night side however 128 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:15,400 for approximate be the situation is 129 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:18,970 almost reversed and you have the night 130 00:07:24,689 --> 00:07:22,330 side cooling quite significantly so for 131 00:07:28,710 --> 00:07:24,699 for this too quite similar cases you 132 00:07:31,110 --> 00:07:28,720 have opposite effects by just swapping a 133 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:31,120 convection scheme to a simple one or 134 00:07:38,370 --> 00:07:35,110 switching off completely and this is so 135 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:38,380 this is interesting and I'm still trying 136 00:07:43,980 --> 00:07:40,030 to wrap my head around while it happens 137 00:07:49,020 --> 00:07:43,990 but looking at the large-scale 138 00:07:54,209 --> 00:07:49,030 circulation so you see that so this is a 139 00:07:57,060 --> 00:07:54,219 horizontal wind speed shown by vectors 140 00:08:06,990 --> 00:07:57,070 and the magnitude of the wind is shown 141 00:08:07,900 --> 00:08:07,000 by colors and this is what so this is 142 00:08:28,450 --> 00:08:07,910 the 143 00:08:31,030 --> 00:08:28,460 approximately simulation doesn't change 144 00:08:35,370 --> 00:08:31,040 much and the magnitude of the wind stays 145 00:08:37,659 --> 00:08:35,380 fairly similar but for Travis Lonnie the 146 00:08:40,290 --> 00:08:37,669 large-scale circulation changes quite 147 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:40,300 dramatically and you don't have this 148 00:08:45,780 --> 00:08:44,000 branches around the subsoil point and 149 00:08:51,580 --> 00:08:45,790 instead you have a very strong 150 00:08:54,910 --> 00:08:51,590 equatorial jet and the you can expect 151 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:54,920 that because the wind increased wind 152 00:09:01,300 --> 00:08:57,170 speed increased at the Eastern 153 00:09:05,380 --> 00:09:01,310 Terminator and decreased at the Western 154 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:05,390 Terminator the net moisture export from 155 00:09:14,410 --> 00:09:10,250 the dayside is larger so that this is is 156 00:09:17,940 --> 00:09:14,420 likely the the biggest G visitor to the 157 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:17,950 change in the Nightside conditions while 158 00:09:23,050 --> 00:09:20,810 radiation and turbulence fluxes from the 159 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:23,060 night side up probably cancel each other 160 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:27,890 out and play a minor role so yeah so the 161 00:09:33,610 --> 00:09:30,610 sort of take-home message one is that 162 00:09:35,470 --> 00:09:33,620 convection in GCMs regulates the climate 163 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:35,480 not only on the day site where all the 164 00:09:40,950 --> 00:09:38,290 connection is happening but perhaps 165 00:09:46,930 --> 00:09:40,960 contrary counter-intuitively 166 00:09:48,820 --> 00:09:46,940 on the night side and also the second a 167 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:48,830 take-home message is that using a simple 168 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:50,330 connection scheme can have different 169 00:09:57,490 --> 00:09:53,690 effects for different planets 170 00:10:00,390 --> 00:09:57,500 so why modeling convection has such a 171 00:10:04,140 --> 00:10:00,400 big impact well because as we heard from 172 00:10:06,070 --> 00:10:04,150 Allison this morning 173 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:06,080 modeling convection is quite challenging 174 00:10:11,230 --> 00:10:08,930 it has a lot of feedbacks and also 175 00:10:14,020 --> 00:10:11,240 involves a wide spectrum of spatial and 176 00:10:16,329 --> 00:10:14,030 temporal scales and so it is 177 00:10:19,450 --> 00:10:16,339 computationally expensive to run global 178 00:10:21,290 --> 00:10:19,460 circulation models at convection 179 00:10:23,300 --> 00:10:21,300 resolving simulation 180 00:10:25,490 --> 00:10:23,310 lucien especially when they are coupled 181 00:10:29,690 --> 00:10:25,500 to radiation and chemistry and other 182 00:10:31,340 --> 00:10:29,700 stuff so what we do we run this GCM 183 00:10:33,620 --> 00:10:31,350 that's very coarse resolution instead 184 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:33,630 and so the all the convective processes 185 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:38,010 fall into sub grade scale size and we we 186 00:10:44,060 --> 00:10:40,170 have to use para positions to account 187 00:10:46,250 --> 00:10:44,070 for the net effect of them but 188 00:10:48,889 --> 00:10:46,260 unfortunately we don't have any in situ 189 00:10:50,180 --> 00:10:48,899 measurements on exoplanets at least not 190 00:10:54,380 --> 00:10:50,190 yet 191 00:10:56,569 --> 00:10:54,390 and so we have to our next best option 192 00:10:59,090 --> 00:10:56,579 to test this parent is Asians is to run 193 00:11:01,280 --> 00:10:59,100 a convection resolving model the very 194 00:11:04,310 --> 00:11:01,290 high resolution which does not need a 195 00:11:05,660 --> 00:11:04,320 parameterization to handle convection so 196 00:11:10,970 --> 00:11:05,670 this is what we can do with the unified 197 00:11:14,329 --> 00:11:10,980 model and we use a global model just as 198 00:11:19,190 --> 00:11:14,339 I showed before as a as a parent model 199 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:19,200 to to supply boundary conditions but 200 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:22,410 then we put a nested grid inside of the 201 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:26,730 of that model and run this model at much 202 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:29,250 higher resolution so I'm using a sort of 203 00:11:34,610 --> 00:11:30,690 convection permitting resolution of 204 00:11:39,560 --> 00:11:34,620 about 4 kilometers and in this case of 205 00:11:41,060 --> 00:11:39,570 course we have convection explicit so 206 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:41,070 the convection organization is switched 207 00:11:50,569 --> 00:11:47,250 off so and when we look at the the 208 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:50,579 outputs of of the simulations so this is 209 00:11:55,670 --> 00:11:53,850 so far just the global model again at 210 00:11:59,180 --> 00:11:55,680 the course resolution with convective 211 00:12:02,139 --> 00:11:59,190 compensation and this is just a chunk 212 00:12:05,900 --> 00:12:02,149 cut out of the of the global model 213 00:12:08,930 --> 00:12:05,910 around this nested region and you see 214 00:12:12,980 --> 00:12:08,940 that in terms of updrafts the the the 215 00:12:18,860 --> 00:12:12,990 rising motions the upward velocity field 216 00:12:21,410 --> 00:12:18,870 is quite washed out and and weak but 217 00:12:24,590 --> 00:12:21,420 when we run this model at high 218 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:24,600 resolution you can start to see all the 219 00:12:30,260 --> 00:12:26,490 convection cells in individual 220 00:12:31,790 --> 00:12:30,270 convective cells being resolved and also 221 00:12:34,639 --> 00:12:31,800 some mesoscale circulations 222 00:12:36,710 --> 00:12:34,649 emerging on this planet 223 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:36,720 and also the magnitude of updrafts and 224 00:12:43,129 --> 00:12:40,170 downdrafts is much greater than in the 225 00:12:45,859 --> 00:12:43,139 global model and this is what it looks 226 00:12:50,299 --> 00:12:45,869 like in terms of cloud fields so this is 227 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:50,309 the reflected shortwave radiation and 228 00:12:56,869 --> 00:12:54,569 you see again that the convection 229 00:13:01,280 --> 00:12:56,879 resolving simulation gives you much more 230 00:13:05,780 --> 00:13:01,290 detail and much more in homogeneity in 231 00:13:08,299 --> 00:13:05,790 terms of cloud field and this is what 232 00:13:11,780 --> 00:13:08,309 the participation looks like so relation 233 00:13:16,009 --> 00:13:11,790 falling from this convective clouds okay 234 00:13:17,769 --> 00:13:16,019 but does it make a difference for for 235 00:13:20,179 --> 00:13:17,779 the mean state of the region and 236 00:13:22,730 --> 00:13:20,189 actually I should say that the global 237 00:13:25,460 --> 00:13:22,740 model with this mass flux parent 238 00:13:28,129 --> 00:13:25,470 connective translation is doing a pretty 239 00:13:31,910 --> 00:13:28,139 good job at least for earth-like 240 00:13:34,900 --> 00:13:31,920 atmosphere in in accounting for all the 241 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:34,910 great convection and so in terms of 242 00:13:41,389 --> 00:13:38,850 temperature or specific humidity overall 243 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:41,399 the curves are quite similar to each 244 00:13:45,919 --> 00:13:43,769 other from so the liquors from the 245 00:13:48,619 --> 00:13:45,929 global model and the regional model and 246 00:13:51,650 --> 00:13:48,629 the Wiccans difference is actually in 247 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:51,660 the structure of the clouds on the day 248 00:13:58,460 --> 00:13:55,410 side and you can you can see this in 249 00:14:00,710 --> 00:13:58,470 terms of cloud condensate so this is 250 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:00,720 average vertical profiles of cloud water 251 00:14:05,989 --> 00:14:03,529 on the left and called ice on the right 252 00:14:09,699 --> 00:14:05,999 so this is from the global model and 253 00:14:12,530 --> 00:14:09,709 this is the the orange curve is from the 254 00:14:14,119 --> 00:14:12,540 nested run simulation and you can see 255 00:14:17,269 --> 00:14:14,129 that the global model overestimates the 256 00:14:20,929 --> 00:14:17,279 cold water and underestimates cloud ice 257 00:14:25,039 --> 00:14:20,939 this can have an impact on the radiative 258 00:14:27,590 --> 00:14:25,049 forcing of clouds and also it can impact 259 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:27,600 the formation of rain and/or snow 260 00:14:34,539 --> 00:14:32,610 precipitation but so the another 261 00:14:37,189 --> 00:14:34,549 take-home messages are compared to a 262 00:14:39,079 --> 00:14:37,199 convection resolving model cm may 263 00:14:41,090 --> 00:14:39,089 incorrectly represent cloud structure 264 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:41,100 and they are radiative effects on the 265 00:14:47,199 --> 00:14:43,490 day side 266 00:14:50,380 --> 00:14:47,209 but I should say that one caveat of our 267 00:14:53,050 --> 00:14:50,390 study is that we use this model you know 268 00:14:55,570 --> 00:14:53,060 one-way nesting set up so even though 269 00:14:57,759 --> 00:14:55,580 the the regional model has the boundary 270 00:14:59,860 --> 00:14:57,769 conditions from the parent model it 271 00:15:02,050 --> 00:14:59,870 doesn't there's no feedback to the 272 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:02,060 global model from these hires of 273 00:15:10,509 --> 00:15:05,450 simulations so one way to account for 274 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:10,519 this impact is what I'm suggesting to do 275 00:15:15,340 --> 00:15:13,130 is basically what I'm doing now is to 276 00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:15,350 run a series of global experiments with 277 00:15:21,699 --> 00:15:17,360 different convection schemes then 278 00:15:27,460 --> 00:15:21,709 calculates the flux of moisture upward 279 00:15:31,690 --> 00:15:27,470 flux on the dayside as a metric for 280 00:15:33,310 --> 00:15:31,700 convection and then somehow find a 281 00:15:34,810 --> 00:15:33,320 correlation with some Nightside 282 00:15:37,870 --> 00:15:34,820 parameters such as the minimum 283 00:15:41,590 --> 00:15:37,880 temperature or the amount of moisture on 284 00:15:43,509 --> 00:15:41,600 the night side and if we find a good 285 00:15:47,470 --> 00:15:43,519 correlation between these parameters 286 00:15:50,410 --> 00:15:47,480 then we can run a nested simulation find 287 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:50,420 the same integrated vertical flux of 288 00:15:57,579 --> 00:15:55,250 moisture and then infer from that what 289 00:15:59,460 --> 00:15:57,589 difference would it make for the night 290 00:16:01,990 --> 00:15:59,470 sight if we run the simulation as a 291 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:02,000 convection resolving model for the for 292 00:16:09,069 --> 00:16:07,130 the whole planet and with this is my 293 00:16:11,110 --> 00:16:09,079 final take-home message so these 294 00:16:13,860 --> 00:16:11,120 simulations at high resolution relations 295 00:16:16,569 --> 00:16:13,870 might be used to assess the convection 296 00:16:19,750 --> 00:16:16,579 schemes and they impact on the Erika 297 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:19,760 planet's climate and this is the summary 298 00:16:39,169 --> 00:16:23,170 of the messages and this I'll leave you 299 00:16:44,509 --> 00:16:41,599 hey Daniel from MIT and this is very 300 00:16:45,829 --> 00:16:44,519 exciting do you have a way for 301 00:16:48,439 --> 00:16:45,839 understanding the different schemes 302 00:16:50,269 --> 00:16:48,449 maybe in terms of a convective 303 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:50,279 detainment or n treatment have you 304 00:16:57,819 --> 00:16:52,649 thought about that yes I am thinking 305 00:17:00,619 --> 00:16:57,829 about that and one of my next step is to 306 00:17:03,019 --> 00:17:00,629 run a series of sensitivity experience 307 00:17:04,699 --> 00:17:03,029 for the mass flux scheme and just change 308 00:17:07,460 --> 00:17:04,709 entrainment and D training parameters 309 00:17:09,620 --> 00:17:07,470 because for earth-like simulations for 310 00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:09,630 simulations of Earth convection it has 311 00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:11,839 been shown that this this is indeed 312 00:17:19,069 --> 00:17:15,600 probably the most important parameter in 313 00:17:20,980 --> 00:17:19,079 in the convection formulations but we 314 00:17:23,299 --> 00:17:20,990 also have a sort of first it's 315 00:17:29,110 --> 00:17:23,309 statistical framework in the making by 316 00:17:32,779 --> 00:17:31,250 differences between diffe completely 317 00:17:35,690 --> 00:17:32,789 different convection schemes so we can 318 00:17:43,549 --> 00:17:35,700 probably apply that to yeah thank you 319 00:17:45,350 --> 00:17:43,559 a nice talk tag to my sake Chicago so 320 00:17:46,490 --> 00:17:45,360 how do you choose the scale for your 321 00:17:48,169 --> 00:17:46,500 nested box 322 00:17:49,850 --> 00:17:48,179 have you tried like different box sizes 323 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:49,860 does that affect the connection on the 324 00:17:55,310 --> 00:17:51,210 day side yeah that's that's a good 325 00:17:56,990 --> 00:17:55,320 question and I've been I spend like many 326 00:17:59,120 --> 00:17:57,000 months of simulations of trying to shift 327 00:18:04,789 --> 00:17:59,130 that box around and see what difference 328 00:18:08,090 --> 00:18:04,799 it makes and basically well first of all 329 00:18:11,810 --> 00:18:08,100 you have to probably choose the position 330 00:18:17,419 --> 00:18:11,820 correctly because on some planets the 331 00:18:19,730 --> 00:18:17,429 the most the hot spot is shifted a bit 332 00:18:22,190 --> 00:18:19,740 to the air to East and this happens on 333 00:18:26,690 --> 00:18:22,200 terrestrial plants as well so you can 334 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:26,700 you should account for that and also of 335 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:30,090 course this smaller box is in the 336 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:35,010 simulation the more this regional model 337 00:18:39,710 --> 00:18:38,490 is sort of dominated by the boundary 338 00:18:42,260 --> 00:18:39,720 flow from the 339 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:42,270 parent model so you have to to make this 340 00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:45,450 box sufficiently large so far it's 341 00:19:02,350 --> 00:18:50,880 around 60 degrees in the side of the box 342 00:19:08,500 --> 00:19:05,450 Manitoba Ontario Geneva did you make 343 00:19:11,529 --> 00:19:08,510 some experiments for rotate or 344 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:11,539 synchronous ballot and you see any 345 00:19:18,049 --> 00:19:14,490 indication of self aggregation in these 346 00:19:21,700 --> 00:19:18,059 simulations yes one thing that we're 347 00:19:24,649 --> 00:19:21,710 thinking about too but I would say that 348 00:19:27,159 --> 00:19:24,659 it's probably not exactly self 349 00:19:31,850 --> 00:19:27,169 aggregation because there are so many 350 00:19:34,850 --> 00:19:31,860 external disturbances that can affect us 351 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:34,860 so the the convection probably organizes 352 00:19:38,419 --> 00:19:36,690 but it's probably not exactly self 353 00:19:41,390 --> 00:19:38,429 aggregation because you have quite a 354 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:41,400 large wind shear in this region and it's 355 00:19:45,409 --> 00:19:43,650 but the wind she'll come is because the 356 00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:45,419 do planet you are working it off quite 357 00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:47,760 fast rotate alright but yeah what if the 358 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:51,510 planet were merged over with it oh I 359 00:19:56,299 --> 00:19:53,610 haven't looked at super slow rotating 360 00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:56,309 planets but yeah that's that's a good